The difference a hyphen makes: Inkwash versus Ink-wash
By CaylaCatz
The difference a hyphen makes: Inkwash versus Ink-wash This prompt is a little strange. I made it for Paulie's challenge that required all vowels. It's interesting in it's way because it has so many random things in it that some models pick and choose what to show. Another thing I found out was that a difference a hyphen makes. Inkwash and Ink-wash performed differently even with the same seed. BudgetPixes's models shown here were chosen because I could input the seed to compare apples to apples. Inkwash: Seed 4500 : P-image obake onna, elemental apparition, ectoplasm eidolon, anima, angel entity, elder enchantress, eldritch island temple, Inkwash illustration, impressionism, iconographic iridescent ornamentation Ink-wash: Seed 4500 : P-image obake onna, elemental apparition, ectoplasm eidolon, anima, angel entity, elder enchantress, eldritch island temple, Ink-wash illustration, impressionism, iconographic iridescent ornamentation What differences to you see in the two P-Images? See the differences in color palette? In the art style? In the number of figures? Inkwash: Seed 4500 : wan-2.6 obake onna, elemental apparition, ectoplasm eidolon, anima, angel entity, elder enchantress, eldritch island temple, Inkwash illustration, impressionism, iconographic iridescent ornamentation Ink-wash: Seed 4500 : wan-2.6 obake onna, elemental apparition, ectoplasm eidolon, anima, angel entity, elder enchantress, eldritch island temple, Ink-wash illustration, impressionism, iconographic iridescent ornamentation What differences to you see in the two wan-2.6? See the differences in color palette? In the art style? In the number of figures? Inkwash: Seed 4500 : z-image-turbo obake onna, elemental apparition, ectoplasm eidolon, anima, angel entity, elder enchantress, eldritch island temple, Inkwash illustration, impressionism, iconographic iridescent ornamentation Ink-wash: Seed 4500 : z-image-turbo obake onna, elemental apparition, ectoplasm eidolon, anima, angel entity, elder enchantress, eldritch island temple, Ink-wash illustration, impressionism, iconographic iridescent ornamentation What differences to you see in the two z-image-turbo? See the differences in color palette? In the art style? No change in the number of figures this time. Inkwash: Seed 4500 : Qwen-image obake onna, elemental apparition, ectoplasm eidolon, anima, angel entity, elder enchantress, eldritch island temple, Inkwash illustration, impressionism, iconographic iridescent ornamentation Ink-wash: Seed 4500 : Qwen-image obake onna, elemental apparition, ectoplasm eidolon, anima, angel entity, elder enchantress, eldritch island temple, Ink-wash illustration, impressionism, iconographic iridescent ornamentation What differences to you see in the two Qwen-image? See the differences in color palette? In the art style? No change in the number of figures this time. Up until now, the biggest difference I see is in the palette which reflects the art style. In the ink-wash with the hyphen version there was more black especially in the background. Color was sometimes mutated. Under 1 models, there were less figures. Inkwash: Seed 4500 : Minimax-image-01 obake onna, elemental apparition, ectoplasm eidolon, anima, angel entity, elder enchantress, eldritch island temple, Inkwash illustration, impressionism, iconographic iridescent ornamentation Ink-wash: Seed 4500 : Minimax-image-01 obake onna, elemental apparition, ectoplasm eidolon, anima, angel entity, elder enchantress, eldritch island temple, Ink-wash illustration, impressionism, iconographic iridescent ornamentation What differences to you see in the two Minimax-image-01? See the differences in color palette? In the art style? No change in the number of figures this time. Under Minimax, the difference was camera closeness and view. However this time color was unaffected. Inkwash: Seed 4500 : hidream-i1-full obake onna, elemental apparition, ectoplasm eidolon, anima, angel entity, elder enchantress, eldritch island temple, Inkwash illustration, impressionism, iconographic iridescent ornamentation Ink-wash: Seed 4500 : hidream-i1-full obake onna, elemental apparition, ectoplasm eidolon, anima, angel entity, elder enchantress, eldritch island temple, Ink-wash illustration, impressionism, iconographic iridescent ornamentation What differences to you see in the two hidream-i1-full? See the differences in color palette? In the art style? No change in the number of figures this time. Again hidream ink-wash is more muted, and has more of a grey sky while the inkwash version is a bit more colorful, more green. Inkwash the camera is a little closer to the angel but not nearly as much as Minimax. Inkwash: Seed 4500 : Ideogram-v3-turbo obake onna, elemental apparition, ectoplasm eidolon, anima, angel entity, elder enchantress, eldritch island temple, Inkwash illustration, impressionism, iconographic iridescent ornamentation Ink-wash: Seed 4500 : Ideogram-v3-turbo obake onna, elemental apparition, ectoplasm eidolon, anima, angel entity, elder enchantress, eldritch island temple, Ink-wash illustration, impressionism, iconographic iridescent ornamentation What differences to you see in the two Ideogram-v3-turbo? See the differences in color palette? In the art style? No change in the number of figures this time. Now this set threw me for a loop. In the previous sets, ink-wash was the more muted color and had more black or grey going. In this one ink-wash is the more colorful one. Not that it's colorful but inkwash definitely has more black and grey. Inkwash: Seed 4500 : Hunyuan-image-3 obake onna, elemental apparition, ectoplasm eidolon, anima, angel entity, elder enchantress, eldritch island temple, Inkwash illustration, impressionism, iconographic iridescent ornamentation Ink-wash: Seed 4500 : Hunyuan-image-3 obake onna, elemental apparition, ectoplasm eidolon, anima, angel entity, elder enchantress, eldritch island temple, Ink-wash illustration, impressionism, iconographic iridescent ornamentation What differences to you see in the two Ideogram-v3-turbo? See the differences in color palette? In the art style? No change in the number of figures this time. I don't know what to tell you. The color palette looks similar to me although in Inkwash the sky is a darker blue. Pose is different. Almost the same guy. Art style is a bit different. Heavier paintstrokes in Inkwash. Ink-wash has more symbols. Ink-wash does have a wash of black ink on the left corners. That's the only nod to more black that some of the evinced. That concludes my experiment. So what do you think? Pretty interesting, right? Too esoteric? Who cares about a hyphen? Well if you like to use inkwash / ink-wash in sumi-e or ukiyo-e type images, you might care. But it has me wondering about more art words that can be used with and without a hypen. To me the difference is marked. Perhaps it is also marked in other potentially hypenated words.
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Comments (19)
southamericanmyth
i dont recall which words exactly but makes difference i some clothing names and colors, for example dark-red, so the thing you want in a darker red color adherence to that and dont take "dark" as a gothic/gloomy/terror overall thing, also with the material of the objects your prompting
DavidP
Thanks for sharing. It is fascinating - or maybe I am just weird and find the weirdest things fascinating 🤣
Did you read the blog about how the GAI txt2img works, about tokenising and then prompt processing methods? That might help to understand it.
My guess- just a guess mind you- is that the effect of the hyphen is to create two separate influences. Almost like making it ink and wash rather than inkwash as a specific concept.
Might be interesting to try a few versions of the same prompt and seen in which you replace the hyphen with a space?
CaylaCatz
Thank you! and thank you for reading! I think it's interesting how such a subtle detail can affect the AI.
paulie
Really cool article/blog post. I always love finding the nuances between word placement and/or styles
CaylaCatz
That's not a bad idea. I wish I had thought of testing the space idea for the post. I was thinking I might try to find other artwords that are sometimes spelled with a hypen and without. That'll depend on whether people like this blog post or not, I think.
A lot of my favorite models no longer have seeds so there is no way to set a baseline. But I think it was good to test it on this. I did run the test on the nonseed models Grok, SeeDream, GPT, Nano and am posting them in my feed. Without a seed, I don't really consider them part of the experiment tho.
CaylaCatz
I love finding things too. Thing with AI art is it evolves so fast. By the time I find something, sometimes it can disappear with the next model. So it's very much a game of catch me while you can. The newer models don't show you their seed number so it's harder to do an apple to apple comparison. However I did some inkwash/ink-wash cat pics on newer models and it looks like the difference is still holding mostly.
CaylaCatz
Thank you for telling me about that. I use it as an overall art style on the whole picture. So I never thought to specify clothes only. That sounds like a very cool idea.
CaylaCatz
thank you! I'm glad you enjoy it. If you make an image with either "inkwash" or "ink-wash", let me know. I'd love to see it.