First time to try Music 2.5 AI audio

I told @To4kawa that I'd collaborate on a song with him but haven't started yet. I need to first find out how the audio Music 2.5 model works. So here goes. It looks pretty straight forward with a Prompt box and a Lyrics box. To4kawa wrote a great tutorial on how to work with the lyrics here so that you have more control: https://budgetpixel.com/blog/lets-make-your-music-25-ver2 With To4Kawa's tutorial and my grounding in making Suno songs, I think I'll run this like the experiments I've done before. I'm going to work with the same prompt but start off basic and then see what happens if I make it more complex. Prompt Box It's my first time so I'm starting with the prompt box. See the image below. So you can see it asks me to "describe the style and mood of music you want to generate". There's a button! I love clicking buttons! I click the "Load Example" button . Right now the Prompt box is empty. Load Example button for Prompt box Clicking Load Example fills the Prompt box with: Genre: country, pop Tempo: 120 BPM Instrument: guitar Style: Bluegrass Vocal Type: Young Female with high pitch That seems pretty clear cut. I erase the Prompt box contents. I type in "pop" into the Prompt box and click "Load Example" again. "Pop" disappears and once again the box is filled with: Genre: country, pop Tempo: 120 BPM Instrument: guitar Style: Bluegrass Vocal Type: Young Female with high pitch Ok, so it's not a magic prompt. It's just an example for how to fill out the box. That's good to know. So I have to input the music prompt myself. Lyrics Box Now I am at the Lyrics box. See the image below: Inside the Lyrics box, it is filled with greyed words: "[verse] Your lyrics here ... [chorus] More lyrics ... [bridge] more lyrics ... [outro] final lyrics. " Lyrics Box Load Example button I click the "Load Example" button with the lyrics box empty and it gives me a song starting with "Dust on the Dash": [Intro] Dust on the dash, headlights glow, FM low where the wildflowers grow. Your hand finds mine before a word, And the night leans in to be heard. (.) [Verse] Beneath the wide Texas sky so clear, The night wind whispers, drawing you near. A gentle strum, a fiddle low, In your arms, it feels like home. etc, et al I clear the box and put in random paragraph just to check the Load Example button. Once again it erases the contents an dputs in the same Dust on the Dash song. So I have confirmed it is not a magic prompt button. Sniffs. I will have to come up with lyrics myself But it does hint at the format to use for your lyrics. I mentioned To4kawa's tutorial earlier. His tutorial goes over the formatting you need in the lyrics box. He gives some brief song prompt descriptions with examples. Then finally he goes over BPM and song structure. I am not going to go over all that since To4kawa already did. https://budgetpixel.com/blog/lets-make-your-music-25-ver2 What I am going to do is test the prompt and lyrics box to see how it performs. Lyrics! I need Lyrics! But I have Zombie Brain tonight! So I'm working on this tutorial and I need lyrics. My brain is tired and the Lyric Box does not have magic prompt. So what am I going to do? Copilot and Krakens So I'm going to copilot and asking for lyrics. Gah! What do I want the song to be about??? Looks at my pictures ... I did a picture on the last wizards' war on Atlantis. The idiots cause Atlantis to sink and awaken a giant Kraken. Ok, let's do a ballad on that Typed into Copilot: "write me a song, a ballad of the last wizards' war on Atlantis causing Atlantis to sink and awaken a giant Kraken". Copilot pops out verses and a chorus but it feels like a folk song. Not quite what I want, so I asked: "Can you make it a fusion of pop, blues and jazz tone? And add a bridge too and an outro. " Now I have a working song: CoPilot's song starts here ---- Ballad of the Last Wizards’ War Verse I — Pop‑Jazz Intro In the crystal halls at twilight, where the tides hummed soft and low, All the wizards felt the pressure of a storm about to grow. There was magic in the marble, there was thunder in the air, And a warning in the water like a whispered, trembling prayer. Verse II — Blues Groove From the Ember Tower’s fire came a blaze to stain the sky, While the Tidal Order answered with a wave a mile high. Spells were crashing like cymbals, lighting up the midnight blue, And the ocean rolled beneath them like it always somehow knew. Bridge — Smooth Jazz‑Pop And the moon turned red above them, As the waves began to climb. Every prophecy they’d buried Came alive at once in time. All the power they had worshipped Couldn’t save them from the cost— For the greatest spells of mortals Are the ones that leave them lost. Chorus — Pop Lift with Jazz Harmonies O Atlantis, shining city, you were never built to fall, But your wizards broke the balance when they tried to rule it all. ’Cause the deep don’t sleep forever, and the deep don’t ever break, And the Kraken stirs in darkness when the world begins to shake. Verse III — Blues‑Pop Blend Then the seabed split like lightning as the final spell was thrown, A forbidden incantation from an age no one had known. Towers bowed and shattered, letting oceans flood the light, And the people cried for mercy as the day turned into night. Verse IV — Jazz Noir Far below the drowning city, in a cavern cold and wide, Something ancient stretched its heartbeat, something waking in the tide. The Kraken, last Leviathan, rose slowly from its dream, With an eye like molten silver and a voice like tearing steam. Chorus — Pop‑Jazz Fusion O Atlantis, sinking kingdom, hear the roaring of the deep, Where the Kraken rises hungry from its long and heavy sleep. No spell could bind its fury, no blade could pierce its hide, As it pulled the dying city to the shadows of the tide. Outro — Bluesy Fade‑Out Now the sailors tell the story when the night is cold and clear, Of the wizards’ fatal glory and the beast they woke in fear. And they swear that in the blackness, where the ocean has no floor, The Kraken guards Atlantis …till the end of evermore. -- --End of CoPilot song I don't know about all the different genres on the verses but sure we'll go with that. It asks me "If you want, I can also tailor the rhythmic phrasing, add chord progressions, or even shape it for a specific singer or musical style." This could go on forever but I'm just running a test so this will do. Formatting the Copilot song (Round 1) Now I'm going to To4kawa's tutorial to format my lyrics box: https://budgetpixel.com/blog/lets-make-your-music-25-ver2 He shows that Interlude let's you have instrumentals so I will start with that. He shows that song areas are in brackets and extra instructions are between parenthesis. So I will reformat the lyrics to include brackets and parenthesis. Reformatted song: [Interlude] (instrumental, no words) (jazzy blues saxophone solo) (add piano, guitar, drums) [Verse 1] (Pop‑Jazz Fusion) In the crystal halls at twilight, where the tides hummed soft and low, All the wizards felt the pressure of a storm about to grow. There was magic in the marble, there was thunder in the air, And a warning in the water like a whispered, trembling prayer. [Verse 2] (Pop‑Jazz Fusion) From the Ember Tower’s fire came a blaze to stain the sky, While the Tidal Order answered with a wave a mile high. Spells were crashing like cymbals, lighting up the midnight blue, And the ocean rolled beneath them like it always somehow knew. [Bridge] (Smooth Jazz‑Pop) And the moon turned red above them, As the waves began to climb. Every prophecy they’d buried Came alive at once in time. All the power they had worshipped Couldn’t save them from the cost— For the greatest spells of mortals Are the ones that leave them lost. [Chorus] (Pop Lift with Jazz Harmonies) O Atlantis, shining city, you were never built to fall, But your wizards broke the balance when they tried to rule it all. ’Cause the deep don’t sleep forever, and the deep don’t ever break, And the Kraken stirs in darkness when the world begins to shake. [Verse 3] (Pop‑Jazz Fusion) Then the seabed split like lightning as the final spell was thrown, A forbidden incantation from an age no one had known. Towers bowed and shattered, letting oceans flood the light, And the people cried for mercy as the day turned into night. [Verse 4] (Jazz Noir) Far below the drowning city, in a cavern cold and wide, Something ancient stretched its heartbeat, something waking in the tide. The Kraken, last Leviathan, rose slowly from its dream, With an eye like molten silver and a voice like tearing steam. [Chorus] (Pop Lift with Jazz Harmonies) O Atlantis, sinking kingdom, hear the roaring of the deep, Where the Kraken rises hungry from its long and heavy sleep. No spell could bind its fury, no blade could pierce its hide, As it pulled the dying city to the shadows of the tide. [Outro] (Bluesy Fade‑Out) Now the sailors tell the story when the night is cold and clear, Of the wizards’ fatal glory and the beast they woke in fear. And they swear that in the blackness, where the ocean has no floor, The Kraken guards Atlantis …till the end of evermore. ... so ends our tale forever more ... forever more ... forever more Done Reformatting song So as you can see, I put the song parts in brackets. All the extra stuff co-pilot suggested, I put between parathesis. I added forever more to the end. Basic Prompt Box following Loaded Example There we go. I went back to copilot and asked: What would be the correct prompt format for this song using this ai music prompt box format: Genre: country, pop Tempo: 120 BPM Instrument: guitar Style: Bluegrass Vocal Type: Young Female with high pitch I didn't like the initial response so suggested some changes until Copilot presented: Genre: Pop, Blues, Jazz Fusion Tempo: 115 BPM Instrument: Saxophone, Piano, Guitar, Drums Style: Cinematic Pop‑Blues with Jazz Elements Vocal Type: rich, warm, expressive, smoky Contralto female voice I paste that into the prompt box. Music 2.5 says it will take 40 seconds to generate my song. So now we wait. And I got this Fuller Prompt Using Copilot's Full Prompt Copilot had given me a two part prompt. The top part I showed you in the paragraph above. I make a few chagnes but not much. This is the second part: "A dramatic pop‑blues‑jazz fusion song about the last Wizards’ War in Atlantis. Verses describe wizards battling with elemental magic, the city cracking and sinking, and a giant Kraken awakening from the deep. The bridge appears before the chorus and builds tension with mystical, emotional imagery. The chorus is powerful and melodic, capturing the fall of Atlantis and the rising Kraken. Arrangement features saxophone flourishes, jazz‑influenced piano chords, expressive guitar, and steady drums. Contralto female vocals deliver a soulful, atmospheric performance with blues and jazz inflections." So I now have that list and the extra paragraph from Copilot and I got this I want to make it more like To4kawa's example so let's see what happens if I change it to this incorporating the genre, tempo, etc into the description rather than have it separated out: " Dramatic pop‑blues‑jazz fusion melody, 115 BPM. Introduction starts with a saxophone solo and then guitar, piano and drums join in with the melody as the verses start. Pop-blues-jazz fusion verses. The bridge builds tension with mystical, emotional feeling. The chorus is powerful and melodic. Arrangement features saxophone flourishes, jazz‑influenced piano chords, expressive guitar, and steady drums. Contralto female vocals deliver a soulful, atmospheric pop performance with blues and jazz inflections. The song ends with a saxophone solo. " Let's change to a Power Rock Ballad Ok, the pop‑blues‑jazz fusion isn't working for me. Let's change the description to a power rock ballad. "Dramatic rock power ballad, 115 BPM. Introduction starts with a soft piano solo and then bass guitar, piano and drums join in with the melody as the verses start. Rock power ballad verses. The bridge builds tension with mystical, emotional feeling. The chorus is powerful and melodic. Arrangement features expressive powerful rock guitar, bass, piano and amazing drums. Contralto female vocals deliver a soulful, atmospheric rock power ballad performance. The song ends with a rock guitar solo and fades to a soft piano solo." I also made some changes in a couple other places. The beginning now starts with a rock guitar solo [Interlude] (instrumental, no words) (rock guitar solo) I left the rest as is. and got this. It still had those extra CoPilot stuff like "pop-jazz fusion" and stuff Final version Ok, so now I think I should clean it up and take out all the pop, jazz stuff and go all in on the power ballad. I clean up the song, take out the extra references. Keep the new power ballad description and this is what I have. Prompt Box "Dramatic rock power ballad, 115 BPM. Introduction starts with a soft piano solo and then bass guitar, piano and drums join in with the melody as the verses start. Rock power ballad verses. The bridge builds tension with mystical, emotional feeling. The chorus is powerful and melodic. Arrangement features expressive powerful rock guitar, bass, piano and amazing drums. Contralto female vocals deliver a soulful, atmospheric rock power ballad performance. The song ends with a rock guitar solo and fades to a soft piano solo." Lyric Box [Interlude] (instrumental, no words) (rock guitar solo) (add piano, guitar, drums) [Verse 1] In the crystal halls at twilight, where the tides hummed soft and low, All the wizards felt the pressure of a storm about to grow. There was magic in the marble, there was thunder in the air, And a warning in the water like a whispered, trembling prayer. [Verse 2] From the Ember Tower’s fire came a blaze to stain the sky, While the Tidal Order answered with a wave a mile high. Spells were crashing like cymbals, lighting up the midnight blue, And the ocean rolled beneath them like it always somehow knew. [Bridge] And the moon turned red above them, As the waves began to climb. Every prophecy they’d buried Came alive at once in time. All the power they had worshipped Couldn’t save them from the cost— For the greatest spells of mortals Are the ones that leave them lost. [Chorus] O Atlantis, shining city, you were never built to fall, But your wizards broke the balance when they tried to rule it all. ’Cause the deep don’t sleep forever, and the deep don’t ever break, And the Kraken stirs in darkness when the world begins to shake. [Verse 3] Then the seabed split like lightning as the final spell was thrown, A forbidden incantation from an age no one had known. Towers bowed and shattered, letting oceans flood the light, And the people cried for mercy as the day turned into night. [Verse 4] Far below the drowning city, in a cavern cold and wide, Something ancient stretched its heartbeat, something waking in the tide. The Kraken, last Leviathan, rose slowly from its dream, With an eye like molten silver and a voice like tearing steam. [Chorus] O Atlantis, sinking kingdom, hear the roaring of the deep, Where the Kraken rises hungry from its long and heavy sleep. No spell could bind its fury, no blade could pierce its hide, As it pulled the dying city to the shadows of the tide. [Outro] Now the sailors tell the story when the night is cold and clear, Of the wizards’ fatal glory and the beast they woke in fear. And they swear that in the blackness, where the ocean has no floor, The Kraken guards Atlantis …till the end of evermore. ... so ends our tale forever more ... forever more ... forever more (rock guitar solo) (fade to quite piano) What I learned Some of the changes I made didn't seem to matter much. Changing to a power ballad style made a big difference. I liked my final result. The talking/singing is good. I got a good female contralto. That's my preferred voice. It didn't feel like singing at first tho. I would like a stronger melody line as it feels talky to me but that might be the ballad-like verses. The instruments didn't seem part of the song but more of a background to a talky ballad. The rock version is better because there was a little more instrumentals but I'd like more backing throughout the song. I think I have to learn how to make that happen as it maybe my not knowing how to prompt for Music as I am more used to Suno. It can also be the kind of song I did. A short pop song might be different. Prompt Box The prompt box does not have to have the simplistic list format. You can do a fuller description for what you want to happen and it does make the song better. It think it does sound a lot better with a more extensive description. Lyric Box The lyrics worked fine. Some of the extra instructions didn't seem to matter. I'd have to experiment more Conclusion Not bad for my first try with Music 2.5. I need to experiment more with the prompt box and the lyric box to see if I can get a fuller sound.